I like the new Lacrosse

"FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem" (fuelstratifiedinjection) 11/18/2015 at 13:57 • Filed to: buick lacrosse

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I got to admit that it looks pretty darn good. There’s only this one picture of the front end but I’m sure the rear will look good, too. Pics and info: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

JR1 > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:05

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Buick makes some great looking cars. I would love to have a Regal GS

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > JR1 11/18/2015 at 14:08

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Finally available with awd in the US. We in Europe get the 2.8 Turbo V6 with AWD as wagon, sedan and I also think liftback.

AMC/Renauledge > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:08

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Where'd you get this? I can't find any leaked photos or articles when I search the internetz.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:10

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I was about to post it on here. It looks great. I can finally be like those actors in the commercial “That’s a Buick?”

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 14:10

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Carscoops. There have been leaks from China but they were the Chinese Lacrosse. Link for official photo: http://www.carscoops.com/2015/11/2017-b…

AMC/Renauledge > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:11

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It’s been available in the US with AWD for 2 years now. And the 2.8T pushes the car’s weight well over 4,000 lbs. It’s also temperamental and wouldn’t pass US emissions in that state of tune. The 2.0T has the same torque, but way less weight over the front wheels.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 11/18/2015 at 14:12

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It really looks great! Haven’t seen the commercials tho

AMC/Renauledge > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:14

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Now it works. It’s really sleek. I like it so far!

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 14:14

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The v6 was a carryover from Saab I think. And a bit old. They used them on the Vectra Opc/VXR.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 14:15

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Works for me. But you don’t miss out on anything, there’s just this one official picture

AMC/Renauledge > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:17

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It was used in Saabs, but was an Opel derived engine built by Holden. It is pretty old.

The version in the Insignia VXR/OPC has more power and torque as well as overboost. That version would run afoul of US emissions standards and would qualify it for the gas-guzzler tax.

Captain of the Enterprise > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:18

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At last they finally ditched the all chrome waterfall grille. It was keeping them way to in the past, this is much better

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 14:19

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Ah I forgot. The Insignia had the na 2.8 v6. It had 260hp. That way replaced by the 2.0t in Europe.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Captain of the Enterprise 11/18/2015 at 14:21

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The Vauxhall/Opel influence works quite well imo. The Cascada also ditched the waterfall

PotbellyJoe and 42 others > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:33

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I like most things Buick right now; the Encore is the exception.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > PotbellyJoe and 42 others 11/18/2015 at 14:36

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Curiously out of all CUVs, the Encore is the one that I dislike the least. At least the European version.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:38

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I like it.

I love the Lincoln

I like the Buick

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:40

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Gorgeous from the front, gorgeous from the side, gorgeous from the back and gorgeous inside. And the red/white/blue logo looks SO much better than the plain one.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 14:43

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Lincoln is on the right path. The new crossovers look quite Q5-ish, in a very good way. Now they should just build the Conti to replace the MKS or whatever it’s called.

HammerheadFistpunch > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:45

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I like it, i wouldn’t buy it but I like it. I like the new impala too (except the stupid rear design lines designed to make you think its RWD)

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 11/18/2015 at 14:45

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This should/could be a nice upper class Opel. The tri shield with colors is worlds better than that bland logo it replaces!

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > HammerheadFistpunch 11/18/2015 at 14:49

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GM certainly stepped their game up with most models (with exceptions). What I don’t really like about the Impala is the roofline. It looks nice on the Audi A7, but that is bc it is a liftback and not just some sedan.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 14:56

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I believe that’s their plan, and yes MKS. Don’t get me started on how the naming scheme isn’t that bad

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 15:01

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I never said it’s bad. Only have thought it haha. Nah but seriously, they need to bring back great names that people can identify with. But that has been discussed to hell and back.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 15:07

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I could tell by the “whatever it’s called”. The current names are no more asinine than Caddy’s. People just actually got excited about the Caddy’s so they learned the names, that’s all.

Anyhow, I’m all for real names. I just like to argue Lincoln’s are no worse than anyone else’s.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 15:11

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For me, it’s just the opposite. The Lincoln looks better than its predecessor, but almost like they stuck 2 different cars together at the middle.

The new LaCrosse is very sleek, pretty and cohesive front-to-rear.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 15:15

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Cadillac’s new names make way more sense than Lincoln’s.

The CT6 and XT5 will indicate where they sit in the line once the other cars follow suit.

The MKC is the smallest CUV, but the biggest is the alphabetically between MKT. The MKX is physically between.

The MKZ is smaller than the MKS.

This is why it’s confusing. Plus, the MKX’s nearest rival is the MDX.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 15:16

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I just don’t know what’s supposed to be so bad about Town Car or Deville.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 15:30

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NEW names is the key to why this argument doesn’t hold water.

Because before the NEW naming scheme, it was alphabet soup. ATS, CTS, SRX, STS, DTS, XTS

What a mess. What I argue is that if you cared about the Lincoln’s as much you would have learned the names of the MK’s. Which at least all start with MK.

And of course they stuck a new nose on it, it’s a mid-cycle refresh not an “all new”.

I agree it could have been done better but damn the front looks so much better imo.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 15:31

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Buick’s still pulling it off so who knows?

Vítor > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 15:33

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Every new car has a full gallerie in netcarshow.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 15:34

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Cross your fingers for the Continental. I will

Vítor > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 15:36

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Great looking car, nice to see the very Opel interior in this Buick.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Vítor 11/18/2015 at 15:39

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The interior will probably to 90% be in the next Insignia.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 15:42

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The front looks WAY better.

However, STS and DTS made sense because they were historically trim levels of the Seville and DeVille.

Today, the ATS, CTS, and XTS fall into size progression. The SRX is a completely different scheme for a line of CUVs that never materialized.

Lincoln switched the Zephyr to MKZ, but the Aviator became the MKX. So there was no pattern. The sedan was 2 letters higher than the more expensive CUV based on it.

Then they launched the MKS, which had the lowest alphabetical letter, but was bigger than both the Z and X. Then they launched the T - their biggest car-based model - in between. This one was on letter higher than the sedan it was based on.

They follow no previous name-established pattern. They follow no alphabetical size/price pattern, either.

The Lincoln names are totally random and haphazard. I learned them. But I can’t blame most people for being confused.

Especially since one of the main reasons for doing alphanumeric names is to immediately and clearly communicate where each model falls in line. Cadillac’s current scheme does that better than Lincoln’s and their new scheme will make even more sense.

AMC/Renauledge > Vítor 11/18/2015 at 15:48

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Which Opel has an interior like this?

AMC/Renauledge > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 15:48

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Probably not. The Regal typically has an interior like the Insignia.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 15:49

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Oh I’m pretty sure that ones staying and MKS is going away.

Vítor > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 15:52

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The new Astra, released early this year

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 15:53

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Like N2Skylark said, Lincoln’s names didn’t make Amy sense. I still wonder why they didn’t change the name of the Navi.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 15:59

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Just like I said to N2Skylark, Caddy’s didn’t make anymore sense than Lincoln you just cared more about the Caddy lineup and figured it up.

ATS, CTS, XTS, DTS, SRX, STS, Escalade

MKZ, MKC, MKT, MKS, MKX, Navigator

See my point? If you don’t take the effort to learn them they don’t mean anything.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 16:02

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I guess you’re right.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 16:02

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Not feeling the interior though. It looks like a big car that would make you feel claustrophobic. I feel the same in the Taurus/MKS sometimes.

Even has the “under” compartment there.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 16:04

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I disagree with Caddy’s current scheme, seems useless to me.

I’m not trying to say Lincoln’s is good - don’t get me wrong here. I’m saying it’s just as bad as others.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 16:04

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I don’t want people to think I’m a fan of the MK_ names, just saying they’re not any worse than other companies alpha-soup names.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 16:05

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The center console is waaaay too wide. And the wood trim is also a bit too generously spread. A bit of aluminium couldn’t have hurt.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/18/2015 at 16:06

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I just don’t like the giant swoop up.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 16:07

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I think Lincoln’s are worse because you don’t get any sense of the vehicle by the name. It doesn’t tell you size or type.

Cadillac’s current scheme does. So does everyone else’s.

Granted, I am not a fan of them, either. Names are better.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 16:09

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I just figured out that MK might stand for Mark. At least Caddy’s names made little sense for me. STS=Seville Touring Sedan for example (sadly that name is no more).

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 16:12

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DTS and STS don’t exist anymore.

ATS, CTS, and XTS progress alphabetically by size. SRX is a crossover with a different scheme just like Acura, BMW, Benz, etc have.

With Lincoln, you can't tell how big or what type of vehicle it is by the name. With Cadillac, you can.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 16:13

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The only point I’m trying to make is that if you didn’t have historical knowledge of Caddy they wouldn’t make sense either.

One last side note - the Aviator died, it didn’t become the MKX.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 16:23

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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 16:29

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Concept.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 16:30

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DTS and STS was an example.

None of them are good.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 16:43

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The production model name was going to be Aviator and changed when Lincoln decided to switch to MK names after the concept debuted.

Which is why the Aviator concept looks so much like the production MKX.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/18/2015 at 16:51

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Nah they do that all the time, give fancy name for the concept use boring name for the production that doesn’t mean an MKX was EVER produced as an Aviator.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/18/2015 at 17:05

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It essentially replaced the Aviator in price and size. Its concept name was the same as the existing vehicle it was replacing. Then, when production time came, they changed it because Lincoln changed their naming scheme all of a sudden.

pip bip - choose Corrour > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 11/19/2015 at 04:42

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not too bad tbh.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > pip bip - choose Corrour 11/19/2015 at 07:30

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You’re looking at a very candidate replacement for the RWD Holdens.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/19/2015 at 10:00

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No it didn’t the Aviator was an Explorer turned Lincoln. The MKX is an Edge turned Lincoln. The Explorer lived on as a 3 row crossover, the MKX is 2 row and smaller, because it’s an Edge.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/19/2015 at 11:20

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Then why did Ford name the concept that turned into the MKX after the Aviator, which was still in production?

Lincoln launched the Zephyr production car as a 2006. It matched concept Zephyr name, as well. Then in 2007, they changed it to MKZ.

Are you saying that Lincoln never intended to name the MKX the Aviator, even though its 2005 concept (before even the Zephyr went on sale) carried the same name and was a continuation of a name already in production?

The MKX went on sale for the 2007 model year. Which was the year Lincoln changed Zephyr to MKZ.

The MKX was originally supposed to be called Aviator. Lincoln changed their minds when they decided to switch to the worst alphanumeric scheme, and hastily. It was so hasty, they had to rename and relaunch their volume model in its second year.

It was not a well thought-out plan.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > AMC/Renauledge 11/19/2015 at 12:11

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I’ve never said it was a well thought out plan.

There’s just nothing to show that the MKX would have EVER hit the street with that name. Plenty of car companies have played that game in the past.

Ford was renaming all kinds of things around that time. 500 -> Taurus is a good example. Montego -> Sable is another.

It was a time of insanity.

AMC/Renauledge > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/19/2015 at 13:21

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Ford originally intended to name the 2008 Taurus “Five Hundred” and the Taurus X “Freestyle” and the Sable “Montego.”

I know that because when they revealed the facelifted production models, they wore the old names. Then Mulalley changed them at the last minute after the cars were shown.

I know that the MKX was supposed to be named Aviator because its concept bore that name, just like the Zephyr’s did. Regardless of what it was originally supposed to be named, the decision to call it MKX was very, very late in the game because Lincoln didn’t decide to switch to alphanumerics until the MKX had practically gone on sale.

It was supposed to be called something other than MKX. Whether Aviator or something else. But Aviator was the assumption at the time. All the Ford forums I was part of back then called it Aviator before the shift to alphanumerics was announced. And it stood to reason because its concept was called that. Just like the pattern they established with Zephyr.